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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:28 am 
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on th news last night they showed Jake White's tri-nations sad story, I think it was 2006, the year before the WC...it was even more shocking than this year! :lol: So everything is coming together nicely! :D Is next year's WC in NZ?

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Those who think the last two weeks in New Zealand and Australia represent a sudden shift in fortunes for the Springboks need to take a better look at the national team’s recent record.

Those who defend the Bok performances argue that it is just a blip in an otherwise winning era, but to buy into that would be to bury your head in the sand. The reality is that the glory days ended 12 months ago when Frans Steyn kicked the side to victory in Hamilton, and if you take the past year in isolation, it has been a poor one for the Boks.

It might seem disingenuous to claim that the Boks came back from their last end of year tour with a record that read played five, won one and lost four. After all, the midweek games against Leicester and Saracens were not contested by John Smit’s side, but by a so-called dirt-track selection.

They did, however, get selected by the Springbok selectors and were coached and prepared by the members of the Bok coaching team. In all four of those defeats on that tour – the two others being to France in Toulouse and Ireland in Dublin – poor selection played as much a part as the fatigue that was thrown out as an excuse afterwards.

In the Leicester game the Boks got smashed in the scrums, and it didn’t surprise most critics as the front-row configuration was at best considered dubious. The bulk of the form front-row from the Currie Cup had been ignored. But at least there was action when the penny dropped, for most of the Cheetahs big men were sent an SOS and they flew out to join the tour.

For the game against France there was concern among critics that the Boks should go into a match where clearly the opponents were going to be direct and physical with Adi Jacobs, who had not been in form for the Sharks, out of position at inside centre.

It wasn’t long before the critics had their fears confirmed as it was through Jacobs’s channel that the French made the initial probe that ensured that they gained the momentum they needed. Ryan Kankowski also wasn’t the right No 8 for the kind of game that was always anticipated in Toulouse.

The following week the long debated John Smit at tighthead experiment finally came to an end. Italy outscrummed the Boks for an hour, but when BJ Botha was sent on as a replacement and Smit returned to his old position of hooker, suddenly the Boks could scrum again. And so it went on...

The only top team the Boks have beaten since the last Tri-Nations was France in Cape Town. But maybe that needs to be put into perspective too – that French team went on to get beaten as comprehensively two weeks later by Argentina, who, in turn, lost to Scotland.

So to deny that there is something wrong, that there has been a slide, would mean the Springboks adopting a new animal as their emblem. I won’t name the animal, but it's a bird with a long neck to bury in the sand...

How to get out of this mess? Some would say they can redeem themselves during the home leg of this Tri-Nations season, which to some extent they can. They will not win the competition from where they are now, but three wins will regain some pride.

But what will it mean to the building process towards next year’s World Cup? Everyone knows that the Bulls’ kicking orientated strategy invariably comes up trumps on the Highveld, and even though they quite clearly miss Fourie du Preez, they can probably rely on that edge to give them at least two wins from the remaining three matches.

For a start, can you really imagine the Australians being able to keep up their high tempo game for 80 minutes at altitude? If they did, it would be a first. The last time a team tried to run the Boks ragged at altitude it was the British and Irish Lions in the second test at Loftus. It worked for the first half, but in the second they collapsed in a heap and the Boks were able to pull off one of rugby’s great fightbacks.

All the South African coastal teams would be in agreement with the following point – taking on the Bulls at home with a game that requires all-out attack for 80 minutes is suicide. The Sharks and the Stormers have tried it at stages of their history, they have invariably failed.

However the next World Cup is not being played at altitude, it is being played in New Zealand. It’s why the lessons that have been learned, and the fault lines that have become all too apparent on this most recent tour and through the preceding months cannot be ignored. They must be addressed, and addressed now.


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you should be banned for mentioning grant and talent in the same sentence ,,, the last guy got banned from hondaboys for life for even mentioning gaffie du toit and talent... and that was in two separate sentences xse
duly noted lol..peter grant is good imo...and we are all entitled to our opinion mos.

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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


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you should be banned for mentioning grant and talent in the same sentence ,,, the last guy got banned from hondaboys for life for even mentioning gaffie du toit and talent... and that was in two separate sentences xse
duly noted lol..peter grant is good imo...and we are all entitled to our opinion mos.

Don't mind whippy, he thinks Earl Rose is talented :lol:

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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


yeah sometimes i just dont get the logic of these anti boks :lol: :lol:

what i find funny is that this year they keep saying the boks failed to adapt (eluding to the "fact" that the AB's AND OZZIES are the masters at rugby evolution)

yet one only has to look no further as to a mere 12 months ago at the Hypocrisy of their statements when clearly they took a backstep from Neanderthal to monkey... it just dont make sense man,

where were these guys when there teams were being hammered, it looks like they emerged from under a rock which is probably a sign of pro- evolution rather than the re-evolution they keep talking about...

but in saying that.... i think its actually the ref's who are the true monkey-men of rugga right now...


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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


yeah sometimes i just dont get the logic of these anti boks :lol: :lol:

what i find funny is that this year they keep saying the boks failed to adapt (eluding to the "fact" that the AB's AND OZZIES are the masters at rugby evolution)

yet one only has to look no further as to a mere 12 months ago at the Hypocrisy of their statements when clearly they took a backstep from Neanderthal to monkey... it just dont make sense man,

where were these guys when there teams were being hammered, it looks like they emerged from under a rock which is probably a sign of pro- evolution rather than the re-evolution they keep talking about...

but in saying that.... i think its actually the ref's who are the true monkey-men of rugga right now...


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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


not joking boet.
its not about "cheapening" of a springbok cap by replacing players because they had a bad spell...im talking bout new captaincy..someone younger and just as or even more capable as Smit that is able to carry the team forward.its about bringing in a younger generation of players and not holding on to your WC winning captain.

you say that your gameplan needs tweaking...havent i been saying that from the start of the Super14? granted you finished in the top two..but test rugby and super rugby are two different dynamics not so?

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..but test rugby and super rugby are two different dynamics not so?


used to be a big gap between the two, the new rules are bringing the game closer to Super rugby rules..

i think PDV should bring in frans and allister as advisors, coz AB are playing a style similar to the stormers, and we all know what they did to every NZ team this year


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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


not joking boet.
its not about "cheapening" of a springbok cap by replacing players because they had a bad spell...im talking bout new captaincy..someone younger and just as or even more capable as Smit that is able to carry the team forward.its about bringing in a younger generation of players and not holding on to your WC winning captain.

you say that your gameplan needs tweaking...havent i been saying that from the start of the Super14? granted you finished in the top two..but test rugby and super rugby are two different dynamics not so?


nah man...new captaincy a year out from the world cup? i dont think so.. John Smit's form might be wavering but what he brings to the bokke no other player can match! for how long that can be accomidated is the question :?: :?: but the answer is certainly not to drop him before the World Cup. and Victor... 1 poor lineout showing then his soema rubbish and must be dropped? :roll: he is the BEST lineout lock in the world!!!! better than any1 ever to play this beautiful game and you say he must be dropped? and we are mos all rugby experts here 8) so you will know how important set-piece ball is.

people have short memories...forgeting how Big Vic destroyed every lineout his faced. Actually embarassing them...but ya

i promise they will prove you wrong. just watch and see...

and there is youngsters to carry the team forward - Bissie, Bekker, Flip, Juandre Kruger... JDY, JPP, Morne & Frans Steyn, Gerhard VD Heerver.


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shame bok supporters please create a world cup 2011 thread that is all you guys talk about shame man... :roll: :roll:

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@ Voora - you say get rid of Smittie & Matfield? our captain & vice-captain? LOL you joking right?

so everytime the team loses or the players have a bad patch, we just put new people in that positions and POOF! there we win? hahaha. team dynamics dude...also thats 'cheapening' of a springbok cap.

they heavy off the pace at the mo, but i have faith they will be back! how can we DOMINATE the S14 and then look so out of sorts now? gameplan needs tweaking i think, as the same players were ripping sh!t up all season long. im a bok supporter, and that what i will continue doing - supporting! through the good & especially the bad! :D :D


not joking boet.
its not about "cheapening" of a springbok cap by replacing players because they had a bad spell...im talking bout new captaincy..someone younger and just as or even more capable as Smit that is able to carry the team forward.its about bringing in a younger generation of players and not holding on to your WC winning captain.

you say that your gameplan needs tweaking...havent i been saying that from the start of the Super14? granted you finished in the top two..but test rugby and super rugby are two different dynamics not so?


nah man...new captaincy a year out from the world cup? i dont think so.. John Smit's form might be wavering but what he brings to the bokke no other player can match! for how long that can be accomidated is the question :?: :?: but the answer is certainly not to drop him before the World Cup. and Victor... 1 poor lineout showing then his soema rubbish and must be dropped? :roll: he is the BEST lineout lock in the world!!!! better than any1 ever to play this beautiful game and you say he must be dropped? and we are mos all rugby experts here 8) so you will know how important set-piece ball is.

people have short memories...forgeting how Big Vic destroyed every lineout his faced. Actually embarassing them...but ya

i promise they will prove you wrong. just watch and see...

and there is youngsters to carry the team forward - Bissie, Bekker, Flip, Juandre Kruger... JDY, JPP, Morne & Frans Steyn, Gerhard VD Heerver.


well said, :D but the jury is still out on flip van der merwe... i'm not so sure about that guy. :?

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shame bok supporters please create a world cup 2011 thread that is all you guys talk about shame man... :roll: :roll:

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AB's mos only KILLED the poor wallabies :o

Nice game, pity about the discipline though.
Rugby is turning into a game for pansies as well.

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AB's mos only KILLED the poor wallabies :o

Nice game, pity about the discipline though.
Rugby is turning into a game for pansies as well.


i must admit the lack of discipline was defnitly poor.

i couldn't understand Drew Mitchells red card. his second offence was worthy of a yellow card i think cos joubert did warn both captains bout slowing the ball down.....but his first offence, i still dont what it was.

Pocock was having a good game....he is defnitly shaping up to become one the the best flankers in the world.

but you could see the wallabies was missing Cooper.
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